Originally posted by StoneViper: "Mapraider takes quite a bit of time to load. This site easily looks like it can load twice as fast, no matter how much content is on the front page. Content is only the querries to the db and time it takes asp/php to build the markup. It's images, while empty or not, that browsers have to spend time rendering each and every one of them."
Woah woah woah!!
The problem with Mapraider's sluggishness is not the spacer gifs or the graphics. The problem with Mapraider is the shared SQL Server that houses its database. It is extremely slow to make the initial connection and extremely slow when processing complex queries. Couple that with the fact that I can't build proper indexes on the data without running out of space, and you've got a crappy situation.
No amount of CSS will fix that :(
$300/mo for a dedicated database server and $4,999 for an SQL Server license will.
Again, the whole point of using spacer gifs is for the pure, raw, unadulterated, unquestionable compatibility of it. You could be using Netscape 3 and it would still work properly. In the business I am in - where people are depending upon you to build a site that functions properly in as many browsers as possible - you cannot say "but your not building it in a standards compliant way!" If it doesn't work in 1/2 of the popular browsers, that's 1/2 of the customers you have to deal with, troubleshoot and apologize to... IF they even put up with a site that doesn't work for them.
Though I would love to, I can't just say To hell with bad browsers.
Again - you all are preaching to the choir :) I know what you can do with CSS, and I really get a kick out of experimenting with it. There's no question and no argument from me that there are perhaps better ways. The issue for me (as I've just said) is compatibility.
Your challenge is to create a completely compatible alternative to spacer gifs that works for liquid page design in the browsers that I typically test with (which includes Netscape 4 and IE 5)
:D
... and before anyone says it: yes, Mapraider would have been a good candidate for experimenting with new/better ways of doing things. However, at the time I didn't want to risk having the site not work for visitors - that's why the only CSS being used is for borders, colors and text colors and effects, which doesn't make the site useless if it doesn't work.
Originally posted by The Twiggman: "But anyways, ya it does take a bit to load, even for dsl. But still, its got great content. And with a little time can prolly be tweaked to be faster. Hehe, atleast its not pagebuilder here."
In my spare time, I've been hunting for a hosting providers that I could move the site to in an effort to fix the sluggishness. As I said in my post above, it's the database server that's the cause.
ok i believe you on teh database stuff. but i'm not wrong either with the spacer gif's. gimme a few days or whatever and i'll see what i can whip up.
i can say for the record though that you use spacer gifs between the browse option at the top of the page when a simple or two will do the trick.
Woah woah woah!!
The problem with Mapraider's sluggishness is not the spacer gifs or the graphics. The problem with Mapraider is the shared SQL Server that houses its database. It is extremely slow to make the initial connection and extremely slow when processing complex queries. Couple that with the fact that I can't build proper indexes on the data without running out of space, and you've got a crappy situation.
No amount of CSS will fix that :(
$300/mo for a dedicated database server and $4,999 for an SQL Server license will.
Again, the whole point of using spacer gifs is for the pure, raw, unadulterated, unquestionable compatibility of it. You could be using Netscape 3 and it would still work properly. In the business I am in - where people are depending upon you to build a site that functions properly in as many browsers as possible - you cannot say "but your not building it in a standards compliant way!" If it doesn't work in 1/2 of the popular browsers, that's 1/2 of the customers you have to deal with, troubleshoot and apologize to... IF they even put up with a site that doesn't work for them.
Though I would love to, I can't just say To hell with bad browsers.
Again - you all are preaching to the choir :) I know what you can do with CSS, and I really get a kick out of experimenting with it. There's no question and no argument from me that there are perhaps better ways. The issue for me (as I've just said) is compatibility.
Your challenge is to create a completely compatible alternative to spacer gifs that works for liquid page design in the browsers that I typically test with (which includes Netscape 4 and IE 5)
:D
... and before anyone says it: yes, Mapraider would have been a good candidate for experimenting with new/better ways of doing things. However, at the time I didn't want to risk having the site not work for visitors - that's why the only CSS being used is for borders, colors and text colors and effects, which doesn't make the site useless if it doesn't work.