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FreakinMeany
Registered: 11/23/2002
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6/19/2004 5:53a
All of the maps on Mapraider are now available on various P2P file networks!  This means distributed file sharing and the potential for really speedy downloads without having to "wait in line" or signup for membership on another sites.  If you've got a P2P app like BearShare, LimeWire or Shareaza, you can now easily access, download and share ALL of the current and future maps on Mapraider.com thanks to the handy Magnet links that are now being provided by the site.

These special links (indicated by the magnet icon) contain the information necessary to launch your P2P app and grab the correct file from the network.  Just click to download.

Thanks to JTRipper and the rest of the Mapraider admin staff for their help and testing.

Map authors: For the time being, we'll be adding your map file to the network and entering the link for you -- so you don't need to worry about providing these links yet.

Edited: 6/27/2004 1:19p

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Hawkwind
Registered: 6/1/2003
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6/19/2004 4:34p
great idea! i was wondering when folks would find the REAL benifit of P2P. unfortunately, installing limewire has been problematic, though it is without a doubt the BEST P2P ever. don't know what the deal is, maybe its my hairspray or deoderant or something, but i can not install limewire. i can but will not install kazaa or like minded programs..

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FreakinMeany
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6/19/2004 4:55p
Yeah, if the media and RIAA don't beat P2P into the ground, it has some real benefits -- especially for freely distributed art like maps.  I hope it catches on, because downloading them via P2P is so much better than waiting 30 minutes just for a download to start

Having tried both BearShare and LimeWire, I'd seriously have to suggest BearShare (I've had tons of problems with LimeWire crashing).  It does install a little "spyware" app, but it can easily be removed with AdAware without affecting the P2P app at all.  Cheasy name, but the apps very decent.

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JTRipper
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6/19/2004 6:06p
You don't even need Ad-Aware to remove the spyware - you can remove one from the control panel's Add/Remove programs, and the other from the uninstaller in its program folder.  Once upon a time Bearshare was bundled with spyware that was much less agreeable about being removed, and when users complained they listened.  It doesn't hurt to run Ad-Aware now and then anyway though.

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Mr. Brownstone
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6/20/2004 9:48a
Great feature, Freak! I feel compelled to recommend a decent P2P-app though:

Shareaza.

It supports Gnutella 1 and 2 networks, eDonkey, and can download Torrents. Best of all, once it hit version 2.0 it became Open-Source software and has no spyware of any kind (and it never did.) It beats the others into the ground, I think.

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Hawkwind
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6/20/2004 11:08a
okay, i installed shareaza, set it up. when i click the magnet, it goes to look for it, but "finds no resource" . what network do i have to be on, says i have option of gnutella1 or 2 (and eDonkey2000, whatever that is)?

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Mr. Brownstone
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6/20/2004 11:43a
Gnutella. Connect to networks 1 & 2, and check your Settings so that you connect to both of them on startup.

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FreakinMeany
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6/20/2004 12:09p
Good question, Hawkwind.  I'm using Bearshare and can't find anything about that on their site.  JT - you know which networks it supports?  For what it's worth, I've started sharing with Shareaza just to give it a trial run - and clearly it's connected to Gnutella2 (can't get it to connect to G1 yet)

Brown: Awesome.  Shareaza looks very nice!

[edit]

Now that I know that a hub is called an Ultrapeer in the G1 network and a hub in the G2 network, it seems to me that BearShare is only G1.  I've now gotten Shareaza to connect to G1 and eDonkey as well, so all the files should be available on both (as the SHA1 hashes get calculated).

If anyone else has connection problems with Shareaza, I found this page to be quite usefull:

http://shareazawiki.anenga.com/static/Troubleshoot%253ACantConnect

Edited: 6/20/2004 12:57p

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saka
Registered: 5/4/2003
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6/20/2004 12:50p
It's working
Tnx for the link mr. Brownstone.

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JTRipper
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6/20/2004 4:07p
Confirmed, Bearshare is G1.

FB/MB - do you know if Shareaza stores alt-locs for uploaded files?

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Mr. Brownstone
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6/20/2004 4:52p
I don’t think so. I think it just searches the network again when you reconnect.

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FreakinMeany
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6/20/2004 10:26p
I've read in a few posts in the Shareaza forums that it does indeed use alt-locations, but I haven't found anything "official" talking about them.

Edited: 6/20/2004 10:32p

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JTRipper
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6/20/2004 11:04p
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Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone: I don’t think so. I think it just searches the network again when you reconnect.


Sorry, by 'store' I didn't necessarily mean 'save' - I meant more like 'hang on to' so that the alt-locs can be returned with search results.  When you say that it searches when you reconnect, are you talking about finding alt-locs for files you intend to download, or for files you have available to upload?  The latter is what would help most here.

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Mr. Brownstone
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6/21/2004 8:01a
I still don’t quite understand what you mean, but I’ll try and explain what I know:

All files on the Gnutella network have hashes so that clients can tell one file from another without relying on the file-name. When you search for files you want to download, any files that have duplicate hashes are treated as alternate-locations to download the same file from. Conversely, when someone searches Gnutella for a file, your PC will be added to the list of alternate-locations for each duplicate-hash found within that persons search-results.

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JTRipper
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6/21/2004 12:30p
I no speeka good inglish.    The protocol also allows for alt-locs to optionally be returned with search reslts.  When people download JTFile.zip from me, my client adds them to a list of alt-locs for that file.  It checks on the list periodically to insure that the file is shared, and prunes any alt-locs which the file is found not shared on.  When the next person searches for JTFile.zip and my client responds, it also sends any alt-locs it's aware of to the person searching.  

Trying to seed the network with gigundabytes of files from a single source, I think it's probably a help to point searchers at anyone else who's got the file in case they're not online at the moment, or not in the searcher's horizon.  I was wondering if Shareaza keeps tabs on the alt-locs for the files you have shared.

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Mr. Brownstone
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6/21/2004 12:49p
Ah, now I understand.

My true answer is: I have no idea. If I were to blag an answer I would say; yes, it probably does share alternate-locations between users. I wonder if you can’t check for yourself though — open Shareaza, then press F11 to bring up the System window to montor network activity.

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JTRipper
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6/21/2004 3:03p
That would require that I violate one of my own commandments - "Thou shalt not install software that duplicates the function of software you already have" (priortized, that comes a bit after "Thou shalt not uninstall software with thine delete key", but well before "Thou shalt clean thy mouse pad, and remember to keep it holy".  Which reminds me, I need to go covet my neighbor's hardware.

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FreakinMeany
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6/21/2004 3:35p
ROFL LMAO!  Those need to be etched into stone

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6/21/2004 4:01p
Name the movie time!  "I give you the fiftee-" CRASH "Er, TEN commandments..."

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6/21/2004 5:28p
"Moses! I am the Lord thy God. Commanding you to obey my law. Do you hear me?"

"Yes. I hear you, I hear you. A deaf man could hear you..."

"What!?"

"Nothing, forget it..."

(and I haven't even seen it) lol

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